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p 2 (seam sts)

http://www.craftown.com/knit/knit17.htm
child's fringe cape

Hi, I have just started on this cape but need help to carry on knitting as I don't understand
the meaning of seam sts.

Row 1:P7, inc one st in next st, place marker on needle, p 2(seam sts), marker, inc one st
in next row, p 4, inc one st in next st, marker, p2(seam sts), marker....

What do I do after p2 regarding the seam sts?

Would appreciate help with this. Thank you in advance.

Susanna

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I gather from looking at your directions that you are knitting this cape from the neck down (my favorite way). If this is the case, this (seam st) indicator is just that ... telling you that this is where the seam would or could be if you were knitting the item in pieces and seaming them together.

What you do now is temporarily disregard that (seam st) statement and continue knitting, placing markers as indicated. Your next instructions should be to increase before and after each marker, creating the yoke of the cape. When you reach a certain point the instructions may tell you to remove the markers and continue without further increase.

Neck-down items are fun and easy to make once a person understands the increase system used. I hope you are successful with this cape for I gather (considering the time of year) that it might just be a Christmas gift. If you need further help, please come back and ask. Someone will always try to assist.

Happy Knitting!! Marian

Hi Marian,

Thanks a lot for the prompt reply. I can carry on with
the knitting today:)

You are right, the cape works from the neck down. Oops! there is a
typing error in the instructions I gave.The word 'row' should be 'st'

Depending on date of completion, it is either a birthday or Christmas gift
for my grand daughter whose one year old birthday is on 26 Nov.

I will certainly come to this site again. Thank you once again.

Susanna

Susanna: Is this cape pattern by any chance found in an old Workbasket magazine. Does it have hearts across the bottom?? If so, it is one I made for my daughter many years ago. She loved it!! If not, would you be kind enough to give me the website or magazine/book that you found it in so that I can make it for my granddaughter also. Thank you so much.

Happy Knitting!!! Marian

Hi Marian,
The pattern is from the website: www.craftown.com/knit/knit17.htm. I cannot see the picture
clearly but I think there aren't any hearts in the pattern.

I am so happy that you are going to knit this for your grand daughter too. How old is she?

Is it possible to change the width of the cape? If so, is there a guideline as to the place where
I can increase or decrease the stitches? Almost everything is new to me except knit and purl.

I have almost finished row 1 but made a mistake. Instead of instead of inc one st in next st,
I purl. I will undo everything and restart which will take more time. Can this mistake be corrected
without undoing the whole row?

Thanks in advance, Susanna

Susanna: If you know where you purled instead of knitted to increase, when you return to that stitch, simply drop it off the needle, change it (a crochet hook helps) and put it back on the needle. It sometimes takes a bit of doing, but by careful action it can be easily reversed.

If you will look carefully at the directions, it includes larger sizes (3-4 and 5-6). Should you desire, you can always refer to one of the larger sizes for the extra width ... by simply increasing more rows at the seam sts. In other words, if the pattern tells you to stop a neck-down sweater at xx sts and your gift is for a person who is very tall for his/her age, you can continue to increase those seam sts until you have a yoke long enough for the giftee. Then, you simply add length to the body and sleeves and extra long cuffs and it will fit well. I have to do that for my grandson, age 9, who is rapidly reaching for his Mom's shoulder and she is 5'10" tall. The grand-daughter is two, but both slender and tall like her Daddy, so all patterns need be adjusted for her. I'm glad I've had practice with tall kids averaging 5'8" to 6'. Makes it easier to adjust for the little ones now.

Thanks for sharing your website. I look forward to working on this pattern after the busy holiday season. Happy Knitting!!! Marian

Susanna: I just read through the pattern you referred me to and it seems to me that the instructions are incomplete. Perhaps KT or Craftsman will be kind enough to browse through the pattern and confirm or deny my assessment. Please!! It seems that the pattern stops short with sts still on the needles. Hope I'm not reading it right. And, rather than a cape, it turns out that this is a poncho pattern.

Happy Knitting!!! Marian

Hmmmmm. . . . This morning I commented that the pattern appeared to be missing instructions on what to do with the back stitches after working some front stitches separately. And it also does not tell you how long to knit the front stitches separately nor when you would rejoin the back and front stitches. I believe I had gone through all the steps to post but now it appears it never made it.

Oh well -- let's try again. Marian, I agree with you that there appear to be some missing steps. Nothing that a knitter who had done a few pieces couldn't figure out for herself or himself but something that might throw a new knitter off.

Go to www.knittingpatterncentral.com and then to their poncho patterns. Scroll down to "Child's Loop Fringe Cape". The missing pieces seem to be there.

Yesterday, I sent a reply but I cannot find it. So I am sending again.Thank you so much, Marian, Kt and Alex for all your help. Alex, I found the pattern that you mentioned and yes, there are additional steps in this pattern. I was not aware of this and would be totally lost. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

While browsing for cape patterns from www. KnittingPatternCentral,Ponchos.I found "bed cape". pattern. As I am still new, I am thinking of working on "Bed Cape" instead and knit the child's loop fringe cape next year. The pattern for bed cape is for an adult, Will using a different size needle and different wool be enough to create a change suitable for a 1 year old?

Marian, do you still have the pattern for the cape with hearts across the bottom? Now it's my turn to ask you for the website, if any,for this pattern. Do you think it ihas the same shape as the bed cape? Will it be difficult for someone new to knit hearts across the bottom? What is the difference between a poncho and a cape?

The bed cape is certainly pretty, but it would be a real challenge to reduce it to the size of a one year old. Homespun yarn is bulky weight; size 13 needles are about twice the size of #8's, and the measurements given (52 inches round the shoulders) indicate a large adult at best. In order to reduce this to the size of a year old, you'd likely have to go to a size 4 or 5 needle and either dk weight yarn or perhaps medium worsted weight (at greatest). Even at that, you might end up with a cape to fit a 6 or 8 year old!

I regret that I do not have the heart cape pattern I mentioned. Unfortunately varmits got to it and it is no longer. However ... if anyone out there has access to a collection of old Workbasket magazines (some libraries might), check in the 1968-1972 grouping. As I recall, the cape is shown on the front page. The pattern is designed for a 6 or 8 year old (at least that's the size I made) and is rather easy to make. The hearts could be optional, but were knit in as I went. Any design could be incorporated into the pattern, so long as you knit that design from the top down with that pattern.

The difference between a cape and poncho is that a poncho is joined together in the front while a cape is not. Either or both can have arm slots as the pattern you're looking to do has.

If you wonder how it is that I know the sizing in this case, consider I've a live-in 2-year old grand daughter for whom I plan to knit a sweater if I can find the time. As usual, I've too many projects going and too short a time in which to finish at least one surprise. And, I do it every year!!!

Happy Knitting!!! Marian

Hi Marian, thanks for your prompt reply. I have started on the cape, using extra fine wool and size 4 needle. I have finished knitting row 4. It curls up. Is it meant to be like this?

The pattern states that there are 108 stitches after row 18. I did the calculation in advance and got 114 stitches. 9 even rows x 6 = 54 stitches. 54 + 60 = 114. Wonder where my mistake is.

The pattern : Cast on 60 stitches
Row 1: (WS) Purl across.
Row 2: (RS) K14, (kfb, pm, kfb, k13) twice, kfb, pm kfb, k14
Row 3 and all odd numbered rows, purl
Row 4: (K to last stitch before marker, kfb, sm, kfb) 3 times, k to end of row.
Row 6 -18: repeat row 4. 108 stitches after row 18.

As for Row 20: Continue in established pattern and AT THE SAME TIME: Increase 6 sts evenly across the cape body - 120 stitches.

How do I increase the 6 extra sts evenly?

Thank you in advance.

Susanna: You've caught me 'brain dead' math wise. I honestly cannot answer your query re the number of sts and how you've reached that point. Perhaps one of our math whizzes can answer that question.

Re increasing any number of sts in a given area, again you must do the math. If you have 50 sts across the back and want to increase 6, I'd drop the count to 48 (evenly divisible by 6) and increase in every 8th st across.. By dropping the 2 sts it would mean that you'd begin by increasing in the 9th st. You'd then increase in the 8th st across, having 1 st at the end, the second st you 'dropped' when you did your math. Sometimes we have to adjust our knitting for these increases, but again, math does it (although I've had to actually graph out the increases to make it make sense in my head!).

I hope someone can answer your count question .

Good luck and Happy Knitting!!!

Marian

Stockinette and stockinette-based patterns curl up at the ends and in at the edges. Nature of things. Hems and reversible stitch patterns will tame the end curl.

I think you are right about the 18th row math (I'm tired and could be wrong, but I don't think so). Why not just forget about the row number. Get to 108 stitches and continue with the directions from there.

Marian's suggestion for even distribution of increases works great, but check this out. I've tested it with some tricky stuff and it works well:

http://www.fromthehartle.freeservers.com/KnittingPatterns/EvenIncreaseCa...

IF Row 18 had actually ended with 108 sts and Row 20 should end with 120 sts, that would require an increase of 12 sts on Row 20. One possible interpretation of the pattern as written might be:

"Continue in established pattern" could mean do the increases before and after the markers as you have been doing (that accounts for an increase of 6), ...

... and "at the same time" could mean ALSO increase an ADDITIONAL 6 sts evenly distributed – giving a total of 120 sts.

If that's what they really meant, it certainly wasn't obvious (although I'm not sure how to say it any more clearly).

But all that may be irrelevant if their math is wrong. I also did the calculations and agree with you: Row 18 seems to end with 114 sts, not 108.

Since you want to have 120 sts by the end of Row 20, is there any reason you couldn't just do what you had been doing, that is, repeat Row 4 again (increasing before and after each marker)? It would give you an increase of 6 sts on that row, bringing you up to the necessary total (114 + 6 = 120), and should look fine because it would simply continue the pattern you've already established. (I can't imagine the shaping would depend on another 6 sts evenly distributed, else they would have specified where to put those increases.) Would it cause problems for the sts on the following rows? That would depend on if anything fancy is going on beginning in Row 21 or 22, but it seems unlikely.

If it wouldn't cause any problems, I wouldn't bother trying to calculate how to distribute evenly; just work Row 20 like Row 4, as you have been doing. Math-wise at least, it should be just fine.

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