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4 Pointed Needle Socks

Posted by: Luv2Knit (IP Logged)
Date: June 18, 2009 04:38AM

This is my first attempt using 4-pointed needles. I am at the instep shaping and foot step of the instructions. I worked 12 instep sts in Wilderberry stitch pattern. When I went to the next step of the instruction which said that I need to pick up and knit 8 stitches from back loops of sl sts along edge of heel flap, I found that my needle and yarn were on the other side of the flap...I am not sure what I did wrong or how to correct it. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated! I am stuck and cannot go any further until I figure out how to correct it.


Posted by: KT (IP Logged)
Date: June 05, 2009 12:15PM

You are creating an edging to an existing shawl, correct?

If I read what you posted as instructions correctly, it sounds as if you are creating some picots that are 3 stitches wide and since you did not indicate any increases in Rows 2-5, you will be reducing down the total number of cast-on stitches by all of those "bind off 3 stitches" that you will be doing.

How are you attaching this edging to your shawl? If you are attaching it to your shawl at either the cast-on or bind-off edge, the line will be hidden by your seam.

In knitting most bind offs do not match cast-ons very well. The two closest matches that I have found has been matching a crochet cast-on with a standard bind-off, and the sewn bind-off with a backward loop, or the long-tail cast-on. There is also the tubular cast-on and cast-off, but I don't think this would look very nice for edgings.

Posted by: Sally J (IP Logged)
Date: June 18, 2009 08:25AM

I'll give this a shot: Okay, so you work back and forth on the heel flap with the instep stitches being on a spare needle. Once you've completed the requisite number of rows on the heel flap, ending with a right side row, pick up stitches along one side of the flap, knit across the instep stitches, then pick up stitches along the other side of the flap. This brings you back to the knit part of the flap, so you are again knitting in the round. I suspect, from what you say, that you have knit back and forth an even number of rows, and that would indeed have you knitting inside-out if you picked up stitches at that point. You will actually knit one more row on the right side, after which you start picking up stitches. Hope this helps!

Posted by: Luv2Knit (IP Logged)
Date: June 18, 2009 04:09PM

Sally J - Thanks for responding. I would like to clarify that I am using double pointed needles. On needle one, I have 12 stitches for the heel flap. One needles two and three, I have eleven on each needle. I completed the Wilderberry Stitch pattern on Needles two and three, giving me 22 stitches . When I finished, I was on needle three, for the instep. I will need to cross the yarn over from the instep to the heel flap in order to pick up the 8 stitches from back loops of sl sts along second edge of heel flap. I had already completed picking up and knitting 8 sts from back loops of sl sts along frirst edge of heel flap, and now I have to do it for the second heel flap....I hope this makes sense to you. This pattern I am using is very complicated for a first time sock knitter such as myself! Any help you can give me will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Posted by: Sally J (IP Logged)
Date: June 18, 2009 08:02PM

I think I'm with you there. You have knit the heel flap, picked up stitches from one side, and knit across the instep. You are now ready to pick up stitches from the other side of the heel flap. This time you pick them up starting at the instep end of the side. It sounds as though you want to pick them up from the other end of the flap, but that can't be done. I hope I have interpreted correctly.

Posted by: Luv2Knit (IP Logged)
Date: June 19, 2009 08:06AM

Thank you Sally J. Yes - I finished with the instep and have to cross over to the heel flap because I did the first edge along one side of the heel flap, and now I want to do the second on that same side. I read further in the instructions as follows:
"In order to avoid a hole on either side of foot where heel flap meets instep (between sections 2 and 3 or 3 and 4 above, make an "extra st" using the horizonal strand between where the two sections met. If doing so gives you more than the required number of section 2 or section 4 "Pick up" sts, (which would be 8), make the new st. and ...section 2 dec as follows: pull the last st picked up at section 2 over the new st. ..section 4 dec as follows: pick up first section 4 st and pull new st made over this first picked up st.

Help - I tried to follow section 4 dec. wich would be between the instep sts in Wiolderberry stich pattern and picking up the 8 sts from back loops os sl sts along second edge of heel flap and it doesn't look right...I will need to experiment...the instruction state that if I still have a hole when the sock is complete, ti can be owven shut from the inside during finishing!

I appreciate your thought provoking ideas regarding this situation...problems are an opportunity for success - I am beginning to question my belief in addressing problems!!!

Re: 4 Pointed Needle Socks
Posted by: KT (IP Logged)
Date: June 19, 2009 02:27PM

Maybe it will help to think about the heel flap and gusset stitches this way.

Generally speaking, sock stitches are divided 1/2 for the instep/top of the sock and 1/2 for the heel/sole of the sock. When working with 3 holding needles and one working needles, the stitches are often divided as: Needle 1 -- 1/4 of stitches, Needle 2 -- 1/2 of stitches and needle 3 -- 1/4 of stitches. Needle 2 holds the instep stitches.

If you have 4 holding needles and working with a 5th needle, the stitches are divided evenly among the 4 holding needles.

When it comes time to work the heel flap, after a couple of rows, I find it easier to put all the stitches on one needle and work with a second.

As Sally J pointed out, after you turn the heel, work a right-side row and then pick-up stitches along the left-side of the heel flap. Then you work the instep stitches and come back up, picking up stitches on the right-hand side of the heel flap.

Many knitters have found that picking up a few extra stitches where the heel flap joins the instep stitches will minimize holes in that area. These extra stitches are picked up at the same time one is picking up stitches along the sides of the heel flap. If you pick-up extra stitches, you have the option of working a knit row and using this as an opportunity to decrease out any extra stitches, or just decrease them as part of working the gusset.

Usually the sole stitches are not worked in pattern but kept in stockinette. The gusset started by picking up all the stitches along the heel flap are also usually worked in stockinette so one doesn't need to worry about keeping up the stitch pattern. That's an intriguing idea to try and maintain stitch pattern through the gusset but you may want to just work the flap and gusset plain this time around and once you are comfortable with the concept of how all of this is constructed, try to work in pattern next time.

Posted by: Luv2Knit (IP Logged)
Date: June 20, 2009 08:44AM

KT - Thank you for your response. I printed it, and will keep it handy when I start the next pair of socks. I have a friend who is my knitting mentor who I will be seeing next week...I think she will be able to look at my stitches and know how to straighten out what I did...everything was going well - I love working with the four needles - one held the heel, the other two the instep, and I worked with the fourth until such time that I came to crossing over from the instep back to the heel....the instructions state that my work may have ]a hole...I want to try your technique about making a few extra stitches...I love this site because everyone is so helpful! If I wouldn't have this site as a resource, I think I would have given up knitting as we moved to this rural area, and I can't just pop into the knitting room like I did prior to moving "up north" so I just pop onto this site instead!